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64 Million Hospital Development on Old Flood Plain/2

Just found photographs of fields adjoining the proposed new 65 million-hospital site, known locally as Bruce’s fields in heavy rain the field floods on a regular basis.

A few more  photographs in the Mountain Ash section  showing flooding

Looks like they'd better get some amphibious landing craft to serve as ambulances when the hospital is open.

This site really concerns me, especially in the light of the forecast of heavier storms in the years ahead. I know that "experts" have given the all clear on the site, but I'm very wary about experts, having worked with them for so many years and seen the cockups they make.

Flood Risk Management in Wales

Date: 17 September 2007

By: Jane Davidson, Minister for Environment, Sustainability
and Housing

Over the summer period we have seen extensive flooding across England and some localised flooding in Wales which has graphically demonstrated the consequences of living with flood risk.

The planning system plays a key role in helping to manage flood risk. Technical Advice Note 15 – Development and Flood Risk (TAN 15), provides a precautionary framework which guides development away from the floodplain where this is possible and ensures that decisions that allow development on the floodplain must take into account the consequences of flooding over the lifetime of that development. It aims to ensure that for new development, we enter into it with our eyes open, aware of the risk and its consequences.

It is important that the advice in TAN15 is up to date and to that end I will be issuing updated TAN15 development advice maps in the New Year.

precautionary framework which guides development away from the floodplain?

This is total waffle from someone who just about knows what planet she's on. It's a general trend amongst politicans these days to be completely unaware of what is going on in the world. Is climate change really happening? The likes of RCT's planning committee don't seem to think so, and judging by this load of codswallop neither does anybody in the WAG's Enviromental Department.

The former incumbent in that job, Carwyn Jones, did not have a clue either about the science or the implications behind his decisions. Indeed, like our pals in RCT, and one in particular, he was quite brutal with environmental issues.

Also, like our RCT "environmentalists", he would talk the talk, but when the chips were down and the environment and the views of those his decisions would affect adversely had to be considered first, he could not walk the walk.

Seems like his successor is carrying on the tradition of being totally clueless.

More rain in winter prompts flood awareness message

Although floods can strike at any time there is a higher likelihood of flooding in Wales and the border areas during the autumn and winter months. This is borne out by what has happened in the past.

10 years ago this month heavy rainfall resulted in the flooding of properties and businesses in communities in many parts of Wales. The worst affected areas were in south and mid Wales and included Aberdulais, Aberfan, Builth Wells, Llandovery, Pencoed, Pontardawe and the Vale of Glamorgan.

Two years later in October 2000 major storms across Wales brought exceptionally heavy and persistent rainfall to many areas with north east Wales tacking the brunt of the bad weather this time. Areas affected included Mold, Ruthin and Rhyl in north east Wales and Newport and the Vale of Glamorgan in the south east.

Work carried out at all these locations since then has improved the level of protection against flooding for many thousands of people. Flood defences proved very effective during the heavy rain storms experienced across Wales last month and earlier this month.

What we do

Our job in Environment Agency Wales is to protect and warn people about flooding from main rivers and the sea. It is not possible however to stop flooding. Extreme weather events are becoming more frequent, causing flooding from different sources including rivers, the sea, surface water and overflowing sewers and drains. Flooding will become more frequent in future with the impact of climate change.

Environment Agency Wales continues to prioritise flood schemes for the most vulnerable communities across Wales. Work to reinforce the defences at Bangor on Dee, for example, has just been completed. These defences have protected some 450 properties in the village on numerous occasions over the years against flooding from the main River Dee.

We also provide a variety of flood information services (see notes) to warn people of the risks and dangers of flooding and advise them that there are simple things they can do in advance to be prepared for flooding.

What can you do?

More than half-a-million people in Wales live, work or travel through areas at risk of coastal or river flooding. Environment Agency Wales is urging every household and business to check their flood risk by calling Floodline on 0845 9881188 (local rate) or using the online postcode checker at

Geraint Davies, Flood Risk Management Wales Committee Chair, said:

"Last year's devastating floods in England - plus the floods we experienced in Wales this year - show that climate change demands we are prepared for flooding."

John Mosedale, the Agency’s Flood Risk Manager for Wales said:

“Just because you haven’t been flooded before doesn’t mean you won’t be flooded in the future. We need to raise awareness of flood risk. There are things that people can do to prepare for flooding and minimise the effects.”

John added: “People must be prepared for floods and know what to do if the worst happens. We strongly advise that every household in a flood risk area has their own plan of action that can be quickly put in place during a flood emergency. All households should read our three flooding guides, “What to do Before, During and After a Flood” as in many cases preparation makes a big difference.”

Our flooding guides offer simple and practical advice on how to protect your family, home and possessions before, during and after a flood. The three leaflets are:

Preparing for a flood - this leaflet contains useful information to help people prepare for flooding and reduce the effect of flooding on people and their property.

During a flood - this leaflet explains what people can do to stay safe during a flood with advice on what they can do to protect their property.

After a flood - this leaflet offers advice to people if they have been affected by flooding.

These flood guides are available free 24 hours a day by calling our Floodline 0845 988 1188 or online at

Most of Aberdare is built on a flood plain.

Well i never new that you live and learn.

@Lyndon hmm most of it doesnt flood though does it!

That's because they've built "flood defences". Amazing what you can do with a bit of concrete.

Most of Aberdare built on a floodplain that was evident in September as there were hundreds of flooded properties.

The new hospital in Mountain Ash will be constructed on a floodplain the site is designated a C2 zone in terms of flood risk where no Emergency services and highly vulnerable development should not be considered or allowed.

Below part taken for a planning application a statement by the Environment Agency, like the new hospital at Mountain Ash a zone C2 (areas in the floodplain without significant flood defence infrastructure)

“The site is within the settlement boundary of Aberaman. The site is also identified as within flood zone C2 (areas in the floodplain without significant flood defence infrastructure) in maps supplied by the Environment Agency.”

With the heavy rain experienced in September in Cynon Valley only an idiot would commit £65 million on a potential problem site. If the hospital site doesn’t flood the surrounding area is prone to frequent flooding problems.

By the way the start date for construction on the new development was October why the delay?

Hmm considering we get an above average amount of rain I fail to see any indication of reoccurent and problematic flooding here compared with any other area of the UK.

Driving past the new hospital site today in Mountain Ash I see work has started on site , I will have to take a few photographs of the development.

The floodplain area would seem to act like a mote around the new hospital if the new investigation is to be believed?

The contractor has constructed a bund or earth embankment around the river edge with the possibility of expecting problems, not much use if the above floodplain plan is correct, as river water can enter the site opposite Mountain Ash comprehensive school.