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Demolition of Sobell Leisure Centre Aberdare

We refer to your Freedom of Information Request in respect of the demolition of the Sobell Leisure Centre, Aberdare. The Authority’s response is set out below:
The original start date for demolition of the old Sobell Leisure Centre?
22 September 2014.
The original completion date for demolition of the old Sobell Leisure Centre?
20 March 2015.
The start date for construction of new Athletics Stadium?
This will take place immediately following demolition of the Sports Centre.
The revised completion date for demolition of the old Sobell Leisure Centre?
The original cost for demolition of the old Sobell Leisure Centre?
The final cost for demolition of the old Sobell Leisure Centre?

The original cost of removal of asbestos from the old Sobell Leisure Centre?

The final cost of removal of asbestos from the old Sobell Leisure Centre?
The completion date of the new Athletics Stadium?
With regard to the six queries above, unfortunately we are unable to provide this information as we believe the information to be commercially sensitive and is exempt information under Section 43(2) of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 which deals with prejudice to commercial interests.

This is a qualified exemption and we have therefore applied the public interest test. In making this decision we have weighed such factors as the Council's desire to be open and transparent in all its dealings against the need to ensure that it is able to contract openly in the market place and also to protect the commercial interests of those companies and bodies it deals with.

Financial negotiations are still ongoing, therefore the Authority feels that if it were to disclose the cost of demolition and removal of asbestos and the expected time frames at this moment in time, this could harm the commercial interests of the third party company and undermine current negotiations.

Accordingly, insofar as this element of your request is concerned and in accordance with Section 17 of the Freedom of Information Act ("the Act") this email acts as a Refusal Notice.

As you may be aware, you have a right of appeal against this decision. If you wish to exercise this right please set out in writing your grounds and send your appeal to the Council's Corporate Feedback Co-ordinator. Her name is Mrs Christine Macey and she may be reached at Chris.Macey@rhondda-cynon-taff.gov.uk or on 01443 424076.

Additionally you may, if you wish, find out more about the Act from the Information Commissioner at http://www.ico.gov.uk/

For the attention of Mrs. Christine MaceyCorporate Feedback Co-ordinatorRhondda Cynon Taf Council

Ref: Non discloser of information

27 July 2015

Dear Mrs. Macey,

Your freedom of information officer requested I contact you with regard to the above before I write to Anne Jones, the Assistant Commissioner for Wales.

The revised completion date for demolition of the old Sobell Leisure Centre?

I cannot understand why RCTC cannot answer this simple question you will not be disclosing any companies information.

By not disclosing this information RCTC are telling the public they haven a clue what is going on at the Old Sobell Centre and you have no program of the work or timescale of the proposed work involved. It looks to an outsider that you are allowing a contractor to have an open checkbook if you do not have a work program in place.

The original cost for demolition of the old Sobell Leisure Centre?

Again you don’t have to name contractor who gained the original contract this is public money and the public have a right to know the costs of projects.

The original cost of removal of asbestos from the old Sobell Leisure Centre?

Having worked in construction for over 50 years 30 as site manager asbestos removal is just an open checkbook, it was obvious there would be masses of asbestos in the old center. The cost would have been in the bill of quantities with a contingency added for unseen circumstances. Again I can’t see why this information is being kept away from the public, unless someone is making a killing on the revised price.

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I acknowledge receipt of your FOI appeal.

The matter will be referred to the Service Director Legal Services to undertake a review of your case and a response will be issued to you within 20 working days of receipt of your appeal.

Yours sincerely

Mrs C. Macey

Principal Democratic Services Officer.

For the attention of

Claire Gummer freedom of information officer

Corporate Governance Team

Legal & Democratic Services

Rhondda Cynon Taf Council

 

27 July 2015

 

Ref:  Asbestos report from the old Sobell Centre Aberdare

 

Under the Freedom of Information Act please can you supply a copy of the original asbestos report for the old Michael Sobell Sports Centre Aberdare?

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Friday, 21 August 2015

With regard to your request for a copy of the Asbestos Report of the old Michael Sobell Sports Centres, it has been suggested that you visit the Council’s Corporate Estates Department to view the report and then if you have any queries, officers will be there to answer any questions.  The Corporate Estates Department is based at The Innovation Centre, Navigation Park, Abercynon.

 

Does this seem acceptable to you?

 

Regards

24 August 2015

 

REF: “it has been suggested that you visit the Council’s Corporate Estates Department to view the report”

 

With reference to the above I thank you for your offer but would prefer you follow the freedom of information request and supply the information to me.

 

Having viewed several asbestos reports attended many asbestos related courses as a site manager I am aware of what to look for within the report.

 

I would remind you of the original request date 27 July 2015 the 20 working days you have to produce the information.

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Having written to Mrs. C. Macey Principal Democratic Services Officer 27 July 2015 and was assured a response would be forthcoming within the 20 days to date no response from the Principal Democratic Services at Rhondda Cynon Taf Council.

 

Evidently this is an on growing problem with RCTC they obviously don’t want the public to know the darker side of what go’s on with this Labour administration by their lack of an open administration.

 

They have been informed by the ombudsman of their lack of response to information back in 2011/12 with an Annual Letter

 

http://www.ombudsman-wales.org.uk/~/media/Files/Annual%20Letters%202011-2012%20-%20English/2011-2012%20RCT%20appendix.ashx

 

The leader is forthcoming with his talk of consultation but why is he not allowing basic information not to be provided to the public what is he hiding?

 

Why is the leader allowing the legal department not to follow guidelines by answering questions within 20 working days?

 

You have to ask the question who is running the council councilors or directors?

Having requested under the freedom of information Act a copy of the asbestos report for the Sobel Center that is to be demolished.

From reading the report you can understand why it will take so long to demolish and then build the running track.

The council should inform the public of the extra costs involved in demolishing the old Sobel Center as money is in short supply for certain public services. 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h426innr9jnqnv2/672.358%20R.pdf?dl=0

http://www.asbestos.com/asbestos/types.php

Contractors taping up exit points in the old Sobel Center I assume it is a preventative measure to stop asbestos dust escaping loads of real dangerous asbestos in that building one to avoid unless you know what you are doing